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Revisiting the anatomy of Emacs mail user agents

Mohsen BANAN (MO-HH-SS-EN, he/him,

In this talk, Mohsen Banan describes how Emacs mail can be part of a comprehensive digital ecosystem. Afterwards, he will handle questions via BigBlueButton.

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Schedule for Saturday Saturday 9:00- 9:05 Saturday opening remarks sat-open 9:05- 9:25 Emacs journalism (or everything's a nail if you hit it with Emacs) journalism 9:45- 9:55 Back to school with Emacs school 10:05-10:15 How to incorporate handwritten notes into Emacs Orgmode handwritten 10:45-11:05 Writing and organizing literature notes for scientific writing science 11:25-11:35 The Emacs Buddy initiative buddy 1:00- 1:20 Attending and organizing Emacs meetups meetups 1:40- 1:55 Linking personal info with Hyperbole implicit buttons buttons 2:15- 2:40 Real estate and Org table formulas realestate 3:00- 3:25 Health data journaling and visualization with Org Mode and gnuplot health 3:45- 4:05 Edit live Jupyter notebook cells with Emacs jupyter 4:50- 4:55 Saturday closing remarks sat-close 10:00-10:15 Tree-sitter beyond syntax highlighting treesitter 10:25-10:45 lsp-bridge: a smooth-as-butter asynchronous LSP client lspbridge 10:55-11:15 asm-blox: a game based on WebAssembly that no one asked for asmblox 11:25-11:35 Emacs should become a Wayland compositor wayland 1:00- 1:25 Using SQLite as a data source: a framework and an example sqlite 1:50- 2:30 Revisiting the anatomy of Emacs mail user agents mail 2:50- 3:10 Maintaining the Maintainers: Attribution as an Economic Model for Open Source maint 3:35- 3:40 Bidirectional links with eev eev 3:50- 3:55 Short hyperlinks to Python docs python 4:05- 4:35 Haskell code exploration with Emacs haskell 9 AM 10 AM 11 AM 12 PM 1 PM 2 PM 3 PM 4 PM 5 PM

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00:00:00.000 Introduction 01:41.080 Mail and the digital ecosystem 03:33.600 Platformization and Mail 05:32.400 Contours of this presentation 06:19.800 Anatomy of monolithic MUAs 06:42.840 Existing Elisp mail libraries and modes 07:22.960 Concept of a split-MUA 08:22.320 Emacs and the culture of DIY split-MUAs 09:42.400 A glimpse of the bigger picture 13:10.880 The full ByStar story 17:31.320 ByStar DE context, assets, and terminology 19:20.120 MARMEE parts list 20:21.760 Blee-Gnus parts list 20:47.680 Deep integration of BISOS-MARMEE and Blee-Gnus 22:08.840 qmail and bystar-qmail 23:56.560 MARMEE: common-agent for split-MUA implementations 25:10.760 Obtaining, installing, and configuring MARMEE 26:17.200 Installing MARMEE 27:20.480 Emacs inside of ByStar 29:47.760 Emacs common-agent models and interfaces 31:36.960 Evolution of Gnus with MARMEE 32:35.280 X-Message-SMTP-Method: qmail 33:11.320 X-Message-Send-Method 33:39.320 Shared common-agents configuration and secrets management 34:39.600 Evolution of message-mode into message-polymode 35:34.080 Two vertical-slice mail use cases


Actually, it makes very good sense to use Emacs as your Mail User Agent (MUA). A dominant and fundamental aspect of mail composition and mail processing is editing. And, if you live inside of Emacs, of course you expect to have the ultimate messaging environment.

Over the years many Emacs MUAs have appeared. As of 2022, the following Emacs MUAs are available to choose from: Gnus, VM, WanderLust, Mew, mu4e, notmuch.el, mh-e and Rmail.

Emacs MUAs can be used as Monolithic-MUAs (with elisp smtp and imap protocol implementations) or as Split-MUAs (with external smtp and imap protocol implementations). We make a case for superiority of the Split-MUA model. Recent evolutions of Gmail and Outlook towards requiring OAuth and our agility to better address that requirement based on the Split-MUA anatomy is one of our justifications for converging towards the Split-MUA anatomy.

While what we are presenting here applies to all Emacs MUAs, our focus is Gnus. Gnus is distributed with Emacs proper and is the richest and most potent MUA, anywhere!

We have wrapped all that is needed to use Gnus as a complete Split-MUA for Unix-like environments in a package called MARMEE (Multi-Account Resident Message Exchange Environment).

MARMEE consists of a set of packages that span:

  • Deb GNU/Linux Packages
  • PyPI Python Packages
  • Emacs Elisp Packages

plus everything that is needed to properly install these on Debian-like GNU/ Linux systems and integrate them with Gnus. By choice, we have limited our integration languages to elisp, python and bash.

MARMEE component packages include:

  • OuterRim-qmail (deb+PyPI) – Outer Rim oriented qmail, as a Resident Mail Submission UA. qmail-remote is replaced by a python implementation which includes OAuth awareness. qmail-inject is replaced by a python implementation which is X822-Bus aware (for DSN requests)
  • offlineimap (PyPI) – as a Resident Mail Retrieval UA. offlineimap includes OAuth awareness.
  • notmuch (deb) – for searching
  • gpg (deb) – for privacy and integrity
  • flufl.bounce (PyPI) – for bounces and DSN (Delivery Status Notification) processing.
  • bisos.cs (PyPI) – BISOS CommandServices for configuration and secrets management and integration.
  • gmailOauth2.cs (PyPI) – For SMTP and IMAP authentication/authorization through Used by qmail-remote for out-going and by offlineimap for in-coming OAuth based mail.
  • org-msg (EmacsPkg) – For HTML-composition in org-mode and for htmlized citations.
  • mcdt (EmacsPkg) – Mail Composition, Templating, Distribution and Tracking.

The integration framework for MARMEE is BISOS (ByStar Internet Services OS). Full integration of Emacs, MARMEE and BISOS is called Blee (ByStar Libre-Halaal Emacs Environment). The easiest way to use MARMEE is to install BISOS – which includes Blee.

In this talk I will demonstrate what a wonderful environment the Split-MUA model of Gnus+MARMEE can be.

After walking through the concepts and the integration framework, I’ll walk through transparent access to multiple mail servers conveniently and show org-mode composition of BIDI emails going out as html.

My primary goal is to show that these packages can be integrated, but that integration is not simple. Furthermore, various improvements can be made to the packages to enhance the complete integrated environment. I’ll be enumerating my requests from relevant package managers. If we were to collectively buy into something like this, we can greatly simplify use of Emacs MUAs with all mail systems – including the commonly used Gmail and Outlook.

Of course, we should not be using Gmail and Outlook. Instead we should extend Libre Software into Libre Services and provide for edge-oriented autonomy and privacy in the services domain. There is a services side to what we have presented here. It is called “The Libre-Halaal By* (ByStar) Digital Ecosystem” – Perhaps that could be a topic for the next EmacsConf.

For questions or comments, feel welcome to email me at:


[00:00:00.000] Greetings. Salaam. This is Mohsen Banan. محسن بنان. I am a software and internet engineer. I have been interested in email and Emacs for a very long time. My interest in email started with X.400 and the Red and Blue CCITT books -- circa 1988. Early on, in the very early 1990s, I jumped ship and joined the Internet email movement. I am the primary author of two mobile email related Internet RFCs, RFC-2188 and RFC-2524. My interest in Emacs started in 1986 -- It was Emacs version 17 then. By around 1988 when Emacs version 18 was well in place, I started living inside of Emacs. My primary digital environment has been Emacs ever since. It has been a good life. It turns out that Emacs and email mix up really well. Here, in this presentation and in the context of Revisiting The Anatomy of Emacs Mail User Agents, With MARMEE (Multi-Account Resident Message Exchange Environment) I am offering my thoughts on this topic in this Emacs Conference 2022.

[00:01:41.080] Long ago, I asked myself: "What should my ultimate mail environment be?" Over the past 20+ years, I have been exploring the concept of the "Ultimate Mail User Agent (MUA)". We do care about privacy, autonomy, morality, ethics, society and philosophy, so from the get go, proprietary (Haraam) environments such as Microsoft Office's Outlook and Google Office's Gmail were non-starters for me. But these are significant realities and we need to deal with these realities. Notice how Microsoft and Google have both framed their MUAs in the context of "office". That type of framing is correct. an MUA must be fully integrated in the totality of one's digital ecosystem. So, the Ultimate Mail User Agent must be part of the Ultimate Usage Environment of the Ultimate Digital Ecosystem. In the non-proprietary (Halaal) universe, clearly the ultimate usage environment is Emacs. Emacs is today's most potent and convivial non-proprietary usage environment. So, clearly, the ultimate Mail User Agent must be an integral part of Emacs. Having reached that conclusion, we then need to determine the specifics of the shape and the anatomy of Emacs' MUAs.

[00:03:33.600] We could have arrived at this conclusion from the reverse direction as well. Zawinski's Law states: Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can. Jamie's point is very simple and obvious. The "App" that you "live in" all day should be your MUA and mail environment. I ask those who jumped ship, who abandoned Emacs in favor of VS Code: What about mail? Long ago, Emacs expanded to including MUAs. In fact there are many Emacs MUAs that you can choose from. If you are already hip with Emacs And Linux, you should definitely consider doing email in Emacs. But if you are not already hip with Emacs, I mean for new Emacs users, unfortunately, setting up and using email is not straight forward. We (I mean, Emacs developers) should work on that! Emacs offers a good number of MUAs with different characteristics to suit differing tastes. As of 2022, you can choose from the following MUAs: Gnus, VM, WanderLust, Mew, mu4e, notmuch.el, mh-e and Rmail. Over the years I have tried several of these and eventually landed on Gnus. The relevance column in this table simply and only reflects my taste. Throughout the rest of this presentation, I focus on Gnus.

[00:05:32.400] I have 3 types of audiences in mind for this presentation. First, if you are already using Emacs as more than an editor, it makes good sense for you to also use Emacs as your MUA. There may well be some relevant information here for you in that situation. Second, for those interested in philosophy of Emacs, I go on some bigger picture tangents that may be of value to you. Third, I address some Emacs developers with some feedback, some suggestions, and some requests. The general model here is that we would collectively work towards improving what is on the table.

[00:06:19.800] When a Mail User Agent is self-contained and includes implementation of mail protocols, we call it a Monolithic-MUA. Just as it is with the physical mail postal service, sending mail and receiving mail are fundamentally separate activities. And then there is mail processing.

[00:06:42.840] Based on these categorizations, Emacs has a set of mature libraries for composing mail, sending mail, and receiving mail. These are all independently well-documented and are part of the basic emacs Distribution. Emacs MUAs then use these common libraries to process mail (each somewhat differently). The primary benefit of the Monolithic-MUA approach is that Emacs MUAs then become self-contained and therefore multi-platform.

[00:07:22.960] But, when it comes to the question of merits of implementation of mail protocols in Elisp inside of Emacs, there is also another approach: that of a Split-MUA. Concept of a split-MUA is that of splitting the MUA into two different parts: One being the usage environment, and the other being mail protocols processing. The interface between these can be either direct (the upper box) or through protocols (the lower box). With Gnus, we primarily use the direct interface. The split-MUA model has many advantages over the monolithic-MUA model. With Split-MUAs, your messages are local, you can search them privately and access to your email is faster.

[00:08:22.320] Gnus can be used as both a Monolithic-MUA and also as a Split-MUA. Gnus and other Emacs MUAs are flexible enough to allow you to create your own split-MUA. For outgoing mail, Gnus can invoke a sendmail-like interface program. For incoming mail, Gnus can access Maildirs directly and let other programs imap-retrieve and update into maildirs. You can then search through your maildirs locally and privately with various mail-oriented search engines, and many have done so. For example, what we are seeing on this slide is from a 2014 Do It Yourself (DIY) recipe that one of our fellow Emacs conference participants, Adolfo, had published at the mentioned URL. The recipe in that slide is based on the following tools: mbsync, mu, mu4e, and msmtp. All our choices are different. There are many such recipes out there on the web.

[00:09:42.400] So, here, I don't want to provide yet another Emacs Split-MUA recipe. I want to do more. Instead, I want to target the contours of the ultimate MUA in the non-proprietary universe of digital ecosystems. But, first, let's take a look at what is happening in the proprietary universe. The 5 big American proprietary tech companies (Google, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook and Amazon) have created 5 competing enclaves as mostly separate and isolated digital ecosystem. In this slide, I am focusing on the first 3 and each of their office and email environments. Let's clearly recognize that the economic model of these proprietary digital ecosystems is: "Surveillance Capitalism". So, when any of us goes there to get a free-of-charge email account, he has chosen to voluntarily forgo much of his privacy. And many have done so. Sadly, the rest of the world is becoming Americanized through the American Internet. As of 2022, almost %90 of Facebook's daily active users come from outside of the US. Also, with respect to email, each of the enclaves have MUAs that are fully integrated in their digital ecosystems in the form of an office environment comprising of address book, calendar, time management and planning tools and multi-lingual authoring and various other integrated tools. Now, let's focus on the right side of this picture. On the non-proprietary side, based on the Western FLOSS model, we have ended up with lots of components. We have Debian as a platform, we have Emacs as an editor-centered office environment and we have Gnus as an incredibly powerful MUA. But on the non-proprietary side we don't have anything that can reasonably be considered a digital ecosystem. I mean, the services aspect is missing. Over the past two decades I have created quite an elaborate digital ecosystem for myself. It is called: By*. The Libre-Halaal ByStar Digital Ecosystem is being built to provide autonomy-oriented services on internet scale. The * in ByStar stands for Unix's globbing symbol, signifying that our scope is everything. Notice in this bigger picture that in the red box, our focus remains to be Emacs, Gnus and the ultimate MUA. I am not here to sell you ByStar, but perhaps you should be in the market for something like that. We need non-proprietary digital ecosystems.

[00:13:10.880] Very briefly, I'll give you some pointers to the full ByStar story. The full ByStar story is a 250 plus pages book titled: Nature Of Polyexistentials, Basis For Abolishment Of The Western Intellectual Property Rights Regime, And Introduction Of The Libre-Halaal ByStar Digital Ecosystem. I have it self-published on my own ByName public web page. The ByStar story starts with understanding of the Nature Of Polyexistentials. Polyexistentials inherently exist in multiples. Software is a polyexistential. Polyexistentials are naturally non-scarce, and making polyexistential artificially scarce, which is what the Western intellectual property rights regime does, is counter to nature. Polyexistentials are unownable and should not be considered property. The Western IPR regime is in conflict with nature. But, the book is more than just philosophy. In that book I also cover the bigger picture of healthy digital ecosystems which also includes the topic of this presentation. I'd be interested in your thoughts and your feedback, if you choose to dig deeper. And if you want to dig deeper, here are some links. By* is about re-decentralization of Internet application services. Among other things, ByStar provides complete own-your-email services. I mean, private Hillary-Clinton-Style mail servers for everyone. There is an overview of ByStar at You may have noticed that I consistently use the "Libre-Halaal" label with ByStar. Halaal is a very sensitive word. I am a Moslem. But my use of Halaal is not in a religious context. It is in a philosphical context. And the scope of the "Libre-Halaal" label is manner-of-existence of Software and Services. It is not about Halaal-ness with respect to function and use of Software and Services. Unfortunately, the word Halaal and the concept of Halaal does not exist in English. So, first I introduce it into Globish. I have done so in PLPC-120039. Further, I explain as to why labels of Open Source and Free Software are both ill-directed. We then carefully define "Libre-Halaal Software" and "Libre-Halaal Services". Notice that last link. I bet, this is the first time that anyone includes a link to his "Open Business Plan" in an Emacs Conference. I hope others would do this as well. There is appetite out there for privacy- and autonomy-oriented digital ecosystems, and there is no conflict between honest business, honest profit, and Libre-Halaal Software and Libre-Halaal Services. The sub-title of our open business plan is: "An Inversion to the Proprietary Internet Services Model". And here are the same links as a native Reveal slide. If instead of a video, you are viewing this presentation as a Reveal web page, you can just click on the pointers and URLs.

[00:17:31.320] So, what was the point of bringing ByStar into this presentation? In tangible terms, what have we gotten out of the tangent we took on the ByStar bigger picture? Of course we have the ByStar Digital Ecosystem itself. But that is not immediately relevant to this presentation. Here, through BISOS we now have an integration framework, which we definitely needed. We now have BISOS-MARMEE, Multi-Account Resident Mail Exchange Environment, which is a consistent set of MUA-related software components --- which we need. We also needed to augment Emacs in our own terms, so we have Blee for that, ByStar Libre-Halaal Emacs Environment, is ByStar ecosystemized Emacs. And finally Blee-Gnus, which is Gnus and MARMEE integrated with Blee. With these in place, we can now dive deeper into MARMEE. The idea of MARMEE, is that of packaging together the mail protocols parts of the Split-MUA. MARMEE (which is of course in the context of BISOS) is the green box in this slide. For outgoing mail, we use an altered qmail. We will be looking deeper into qmail a bit later. For incoming mail, we are using offlineimap which is oauth2 aware.

[00:19:20.120] Before going into more details, let's take a look at the parts lists for BISOS-MARMEE and Blee-Gnus. MARMEE is a collection of Python-based libraries and Debian packages that provide for rich sending and receiving of email outside of Emacs. Here is our BISOS-MARMEE parts list. MARMEE features include tracked mail Sending for confirmed mail communications and email distribution facilities (say, similar to Constant Contact). For Delivery Status Notification (DSN), we have adopted flufl.bounce. I'll be touching on everything that is qmail-related, namely qmail-remote.cs and mailfront, in a separate slide. notmuch is our choice of mail search engine.

[00:20:21.760] Similarly, here is our Blee-Gnus Parts List. Blee-Gnus is Gnus and MARMEE integrated with BISOS and Blee. Notice mentions of org-msg and polymode here. Later, I'll expand on these in the context of transitioning from Message-Mode to Message-Polymode.

[00:20:47.680] With these parts in place, now let's see how they will all come together. Gnus is very flexible, and in combination with MARMEE, it can create an incredibly powerful MUA. On this slide, note the boxes that include the FPs label. FP stand for File Parameters. It is the basis of BISOS's configuration and secrets management. Notice that it has consistent agents inside of Emacs and on the OS. This is a big deal in that it can reduce user visible configuration complexity. Also, notice the X822-Bus here. The idea of X822-Bus is that of allowing for communication among user's preferences, Gnus and MARMEE-qmail through addition of X- fields in RFC-822 message headers. X822-Bus is used for selection of mail sending agents and specification of delivery status parameters.

[00:22:08.840] Of key significance in this picture is our choice of qmail for outgoing mail. Compared to sendmail, postfix, exim, and other conventional MTAs; the qmail ecosystem is far more flexible and potent. We are not using qmail as is. Ours is called bystar-qmail. When we use it as a traditional MTA, we refer to it as PALS-qmail. And when we use it on the MUA side, we call it MARMEE-qmail. Just like Emacs, qmail has a solid core and a flexible periphery. All our alterations have been on the periphery. We have replaced qmail-remote with our own Python implementation called qmail-remote.cs. By being in Python, it can do a lot more a lot more easily. For example, qmail-remote.cs interacts with Google Oauth2 APIs and allows you to send through Gmail. This is shown with the red circle. We have also replaced qmail-smtpd with mailfront, shown with a blue circle. This allows us to use MARMEE Split-MUA through protocol interfaces. Let's take a look at that.

[00:23:56.560] Previously we looked at the "Direct Interface" of MARMEE, specifically, qmail-inject and Maildir for Gnus. But what if we wanted to use MARMEE with other MUAs outside of Emacs? That can be done through the "Protocol Interface". MARMEE also includes "mailfront" which can function as an SMTP submit server for localhost. This way, we can configure the outgoing mail part of any MUA to point to the localhost and have MARMEE-qmail function as an outgoing proxy. For incoming mail, MARMEE-Split-MUA-Protocol-Interface includes "Courier", which can function as an IMAP server for localhost. This way, we can configure the incoming mail part of any MUA to point to the localhost and have MARMEE function as an incoming proxy by serving the local Maildir to the MUA.

[00:25:10.760] All sources for all of ByStar, BISOS, Blee and MARMEE are subject to Affero GPL. The sources and documentation are all republished under various "Organizations" under All of ByStar, BISOS, Blee and MARMEE reflect work in progress, and we are NOT recruiting users at this time. For more than two decades, I have been using these all in that bigger context. They are mostly real, but so far, just for myself and a few other engineers. Our model is similar to God's early days. You may ask: "How did God create all of this in just 7 days?" Well, easy, He did not have an installed base to deal with.

[00:26:17.200] You can obtain and install MARMEE in two ways. As is: as standalone-MARMEE, you can just pip install bisos.marmee. For the Gnus part you are completely on your own. Or on a Debian-11, you can just run the bisos bootstrap script. That way you will have all of BISOS, which includes MARMEE and you will have Blee, which includes Blee-Gnus. If you plan to do so, I suggest that you first try it in a disposable VM. BISOS and Blee are large. Many apt and pip packages will be installed! And here are the same links as a native Reveal slide. If you are viewing this presentation as Reveal.js web page, you can just click on the pointers and URLs.

[00:27:20.480] Let's consider MARMEE as an Emacs "Common Agent". By "Common-Agent" I mean a capability which Emacs builds on and which other Apps can also use. Emacs has a very rich applications development framework for absorbing common-agents. Consider how magit has absorbed git, or how flycheck has absorbed mypy or how EAF does its work outside of Emacs --- that too can be considered a common-agent. The common-agent model permits us to do more outside of Emacs. Common-agents maximize social benefits and are more convivial. For example, any MUA can profit from MARMEE. But we don't have good ways of packaging Emacs and its packages with their common-agents. Instead, we usually end up with DIY recipes. This is why I am contextualizing Emacs inside of Blee and BISOS. That is what they are for. And that is why I consider them immediately relevant to this presentation. With an incredibly powerful Display Engine, and an incredibly powerful Elisp Engine, and an incredibly powerful Input Methods Engine, and an incredibly powerful Common-Agents paradigm, Emacs has the potential of being any non-proprietary digital ecosystem's preferred usage environment. I am in favor of putting more around Emacs and strengthening integration of Emacs with Debian, explicitly, perhaps even at the cost of de-emphasizing its multi-platform attribute. A smaller Emacs is a better Emacs. Notice that in this slide, I have used many arrows in many colors. Much of Emacs's power comes from its ability to absorb and to integrate.

[00:29:47.760] Tomohiro is right on the mark when he says, "The reason why Emacs platform is good is that it cooperates with OS, not because it is good by itself." I am suggesting that we should raise the bar from the OS to the entirety of our digital ecosystem. There are many models for Emacs to cooperate with the OS and with applications and with services. The colors of arrows in the previous slide correspond to the model of interface of the common-agent: for example, sub-process invocation, pipe-based asynchronous interface, or file-based interactions. One important aspect of common-agent paradigm is that both the common-agent and its Emacs App need to be configured consistently. In MARMEE and Blee-Gnus, we use File-Params to accomplish this. In BISOS, there is a Python interface to File-Params, there is a Bash interface to File-Params, and in Blee, there is an Elisp interface to File-Params. So, configurations are extended. Furthermore, File-Params can be encrypted, and credentials can be protected and shared. This is a significant improvement over .authinfo and its more recent incarnations.

[00:31:36.960] EmacsConf could be a great place for users to provide feedback to developers and for developers to suggest to developers. In that spirit, my primary audience in this part are fellow Emacs developers. BISOS-MARMEE and Blee-Gnus are starting points. We can collectively work towards improving what is in place. Some such improvements involve collaboration among various Emacs developers. Here, I am making some explicit requests from some of the relevant emacs developers. At most, these are requests and invitations. For each of these requests, I am providing links for additional details. In due course, I'll follow up in the Emacs developers mailing list.

[00:32:35.280] Gnus uses X-Message-SMTP-Method for selection of Mail-Sending-Agent. Even though all the qmail injection code is still in Gnus, support for "X-Message-SMTP-Method: qmail" is missing. It takes 2 lines of code to revive it. With regards to (1), qmail was previously supported in Gnus. Lars, can you please reactivate it? Thanks.

[00:33:11.320] (2) is a terminology suggestion. The term X-Message-SMTP-Method violates conceptual layering. Please consider changing it to X-Message-Send-Method. In a Split-MUA setup, Gnus need not know about SMTP at all. We just need to pass information to a Mail-Sending-Agent selector.

[00:33:39.320] (3) is simply a design suggestion for which I prepared the context. .authinfo and Emacs auth-source library are too Emacs-centric. We need to share config info and secrets between common-agents and Emacs. The File Parameters approach can be a general-purpose solution. Is it reasonable to extend auth-source library to support File Params? I'll cover (4) in the next slide. (5) is a philosophical common suggestion to all Emacs developers. We need to better cultivate the model of Common-Agents integration with Emacs. And here are the same links as a native Reveal slide.

[00:34:39.600] A mail message comprises of Envelope, Header and BodyParts. Each of these have their own syntax (their own mode). Conceivably Each BodyPart has its own mode. So, we need to evolve Message-Mode into Message-Polymode. More or less by default, org-mode has become the beginnings of "Emacs Native Markup Language -- ENML". With org-msg you can write your emails in org-mode --- destined as html. org-msg needs to become an integral part of Message-Polymode. It would be heavenly if Lars, Jérémy and Vitalie could collaborate and give us the needed Message-Polymode. Thank you.

[00:35:34.080] One way to verify that we have not gone astray in our horizontal bigger pictures is to verify them through the concept of "Vertical Slice Use Cases". Let one use case be reading and writing of mail on multiple gmail accounts with Gnus. Google now requires use of oauth2 tokens which MARMEE can do outside of emacs. There is a recent email thread on that in the emacs-devel mailing list. Let another use case be that of tracking delivery and non-delivery reports for custom envelope addresses of (part of ByStar) autonomous mail services. I would have loved to walk you through these vertical slice use cases as screen captures of my Blee environment. For that, I need at least another 20 minutes. But my time is up. So, let's consider this as the first in a series of presentations where next in this series could be the mentioned two vertical slice use cases. Perhaps there could be another presentation on this topic in EmacsConf 2023. This document was produced entirely with Libre-Halaal Software, and is published using Libre-Halaal Internet Services. I want to thank all the EmacsConf Organizers for their great work, and Sacha, Leo, and Amin in particular.

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