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Moving from Jekyll to OrgMode, an experience report

Adolfo Villafiorita

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I have been a long time user of static site generators, such as Jekyll.

I recently discovered Org Mode's publishing features and started appreciating flexibility and capabilities, especially when literate programming comes into play to generate "dynamic" content.

In this talk/tutorial I will present the challenges I faced and how I finally moved my homepage and the University of Trento's Computational Logic website to Org Mode.

  • Actual start and end time (EST): Start: 2020-11-28T14.36.18; Q&A: 2020-11-28T14.51.48; End: 2020-11-28T14.53.03

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Opinion on Firn (https://github.com/theiceshelf/firn)?

Do you discuss this in a blog as well? Where could I find more about it?

Talk and content will be published later after the conference. Will be available on the talk page.

Could you please paste your URLs in the notes below? (link to your site etc).

The source repository of the first website (my homepage) lives here: https://www.ict4g.net/gitea/adolfo/home and the output is: https://www.ict4g.net/adolfo/.

The source repository of the second website (Computational Logic) lives here: https://www.ict4g.net/gitea/adolfo/cl-2020 and the output is: http://datascientia.education/cl-2020.

The talk, code and links are now availble here: https://www.ict4g.net/adolfo/notes/emacsconf-2020/index.html.

https://www.ict4g.net/gitea/adolfo/home has the source code for the website.

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00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.120 Adolfo: Okay, excellent.

00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:06.960 Hello, everyone and

00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:10.080 nice meeting you. Let me

00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:12.400 thank the the organizer for all the

00:00:12.400 --> 00:00:13.920 organization and all the work they are

00:00:13.920 --> 00:00:15.200 doing to support us.

00:00:15.200 --> 00:00:18.400 My name is Adolfo Villafiorita.

00:00:18.400 --> 00:00:20.733 I'm teaching at the University of Trento.

00:00:20.733 --> 00:00:24.480 I will shortly be working at

00:00:24.480 --> 00:00:26.240 shared.tech, which is

00:00:26.240 --> 00:00:29.359 a non-profit organization developing

00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:30.530 applications to

00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:35.680 recover surplus food.

00:00:35.680 --> 00:00:38.600 The reason of the talk today

00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:40.079 and the reason I'm here today

00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:42.719 is to talk about my experience in moving

00:00:42.719 --> 00:00:47.200 from Jekyll static website generator to Org Mode.

00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:50.700 The reason I moved to Org Mode

00:00:50.700 --> 00:00:53.100 is to have better support for

00:00:53.100 --> 00:00:56.800 literate programming on the websites

00:00:56.800 --> 00:00:58.399 at the University of Trento, where we

00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:00.480 make available the content for the

00:01:00.480 --> 00:01:04.720 the students.

00:01:04.720 --> 00:01:08.900 First of all, what is a static website generator?

00:01:08.900 --> 00:01:10.080 It is basically a tool which

00:01:10.080 --> 00:01:11.360 allows you to

00:01:11.360 --> 00:01:15.360 generate HTML files out of text files

00:01:15.360 --> 00:01:17.439 containing basically two types of

00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:20.700 information: metadata and content.

00:01:20.700 --> 00:01:23.119 Metadata is a

00:01:23.119 --> 00:01:26.159 set of key pairs describing the

00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:28.560 content of the file, such as the title,

00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:31.733 author, tags, and so on and so forth.

00:01:31.733 --> 00:01:34.560 The content is what you actually want to

00:01:34.560 --> 00:01:37.040 get published on the Internet in

00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:38.880 the HTML file.

00:01:38.880 --> 00:01:41.439 Usually the content is written in

00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:45.800 some kind of markup language,

00:01:45.800 --> 00:01:49.759 such as Markdown or possibly

00:01:49.759 --> 00:01:53.200 Org Mode. Jekyll is a very

00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:57.900 popular static website generator.

00:01:57.900 --> 00:01:59.840 It is written in Ruby.

00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:03.280 What it does: it systematically

00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:06.840 transforms all the input files

00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.440 by making the content into

00:02:09.440 --> 00:02:11.599 HTML and systematically applying a

00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:14.000 template in order to generate the

00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:17.120 HTML files, which you can then deploy

00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.840 on your server of choice to make them

00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:22.160 available on the Internet.

00:02:22.160 --> 00:02:26.160 One of the features most--

00:02:26.160 --> 00:02:27.500 well, I would say all

00:02:27.500 --> 00:02:30.239 static website generators have

00:02:30.239 --> 00:02:32.560 is that of being able to

00:02:32.560 --> 00:02:34.879 collect the metadata information

00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:38.400 of the files being part of

00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:39.440 your project.

00:02:39.440 --> 00:02:45.280 The reason they do that is because

00:02:45.280 --> 00:02:47.840 you sometimes want to generate pages

00:02:47.840 --> 00:02:49.280 based on the content

00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.200 of your projects,

00:02:53.200 --> 00:02:56.239 such as, for instance, the list of

00:02:56.239 --> 00:02:59.040 posts you have recently published, or

00:02:59.040 --> 00:03:00.400 maybe the list of tags

00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.840 you have defined for your post,

00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:07.280 and so on and so forth.

00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:09.760 Jekyll gives the possibility of

00:03:09.760 --> 00:03:12.400 generating this kind of dynamic

00:03:12.400 --> 00:03:14.400 content by using Liquid,

00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:18.800 which is a templating language which

00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:21.840 looks like this.

00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.879 So basically, you have all the

00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:26.879 constructs you can

00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:28.800 expect in a programming language.

00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:29.920 This, for instance,

00:03:29.920 --> 00:03:33.360 is a for cycle which

00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:37.440 iterates over all the posts or the

00:03:37.440 --> 00:03:39.599 files in a specific directory of the

00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:41.040 Jekyll project.

00:03:41.040 --> 00:03:45.040 For each post, it takes the title

00:03:45.040 --> 00:03:48.400 and the URL and generates a link.

00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:52.867 So Jekyll is nice and sweet,

00:03:52.867 --> 00:03:55.200 but over the years

00:03:55.200 --> 00:03:57.760 I started using more and more

00:03:57.760 --> 00:03:59.519 systematically

00:03:59.519 --> 00:04:02.000 Org Mode to write all my files.

00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:04.833 I moved from Markdown to Org Mode

00:04:04.833 --> 00:04:07.200 I am a long time Emacs user.

00:04:07.200 --> 00:04:09.167 I've been using Emacs for 30 years now,

00:04:09.167 --> 00:04:12.799 so Org Mode is a more recent discovery,

00:04:12.799 --> 00:04:17.033 but it is a very nice discovery I made.

00:04:17.033 --> 00:04:19.680 The reason I like Org Mode

00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:22.320 is because, for instance, you can write

00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:24.933 formulas using MathJax

00:04:24.933 --> 00:04:26.639 and you can generate diagrams

00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:30.320 or plots with Gnuplot.

00:04:30.320 --> 00:04:32.240 Also important is the fact that you have

00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:34.080 the possibility of publishing

00:04:34.080 --> 00:04:39.520 your documents to multiple backends such as PDF,

00:04:39.520 --> 00:04:43.600 or maybe a Reveal presentation,

00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:47.199 or HTML. This is all made possible

00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.479 by Babel, which is

00:04:50.479 --> 00:04:52.560 exactly what we just saw in the

00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.639 previous talk:

00:04:54.639 --> 00:04:57.440 Namely, the possibility of executing a

00:04:57.440 --> 00:04:59.520 snippet of code

00:04:59.520 --> 00:05:02.560 embedded in in your pages.

00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:06.400 Our model can also be used

00:05:06.400 --> 00:05:09.600 within Jekyll. In fact,

00:05:09.600 --> 00:05:13.667 there is a a nice gem, a nice library,

00:05:13.667 --> 00:05:17.233 called jekyll-org which allows you

00:05:17.233 --> 00:05:19.680 to use Org Mode files directly

00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.880 into jekyll. But when you start using

00:05:22.880 --> 00:05:26.560 Org Mode... When I started using

00:05:26.560 --> 00:05:30.560 Org Mode, I realized I could move

00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.240 all my workflow, all my publishing

00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.840 workflow to Emacs.

00:05:36.840 --> 00:05:41.100 In fact, Org Mode is also a

00:05:41.100 --> 00:05:42.880 static website generator because

00:05:42.880 --> 00:05:46.240 it has got the possibility of publishing

00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.880 projects made of Org Mode files.

00:05:50.880 --> 00:05:53.840 One of the nice things about

00:05:53.840 --> 00:05:56.479 the publishing features of Org Mode

00:05:56.479 --> 00:05:58.880 is that it allows you to define in the

00:05:58.880 --> 00:06:01.300 org-publish-project-alist,

00:06:01.300 --> 00:06:03.199 all the the components

00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.367 which are part of your project.

00:06:05.367 --> 00:06:07.520 In a sense, it is

00:06:07.520 --> 00:06:10.479 also more flexible than Jekyll,

00:06:10.479 --> 00:06:12.880 because it also allows you, for instance,

00:06:12.880 --> 00:06:15.120 to publish a single file rather

00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.440 than having to recompile everything

00:06:17.440 --> 00:06:20.080 every time you want to publish your

00:06:20.080 --> 00:06:22.333 your project to your website.

00:06:22.333 --> 00:06:25.333 However, there are some short comments

00:06:25.333 --> 00:06:29.520 I would say, or some areas of improvement.

00:06:30.400 --> 00:06:33.600 The first is that support for templating

00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:36.639 is not so obvious as it is

00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:39.280 in Jekyll, even though there are some

00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.560 nice extensions such as org-thtml,

00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:48.400 for instance, which allows you to use templates.

00:06:48.400 --> 00:06:51.840 More important to me was the fact that

00:06:51.840 --> 00:06:54.080 apparently, there is little support for

00:06:54.080 --> 00:06:56.133 the creation of dynamic content

00:06:56.133 --> 00:06:57.900 So I was very curious

00:06:57.900 --> 00:06:59.360 and very keen to use

00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:02.800 Org Mode for publishing my blog

00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.440 and the courses at the university,

00:07:05.440 --> 00:07:08.720 but then I had to find a way

00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.440 to being able to publish these

00:07:11.440 --> 00:07:13.599 dynamic pages, finding some kind of

00:07:13.599 --> 00:07:16.000 replacement, so to speak,

00:07:16.720 --> 00:07:17.900 for the liquid engine.

00:07:17.900 --> 00:07:24.160 The solution was there at hand, actually, because

00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:27.280 basically, I realized I could use Babel

00:07:27.280 --> 00:07:30.800 for exactly this purpose. Rather than

00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:32.720 using Babel for generating

00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:35.759 plots or my other computations

00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:37.919 or whatever I was using them for,

00:07:37.919 --> 00:07:41.039 I realized I could use Babel to

00:07:41.039 --> 00:07:45.120 generate HTML which could be

00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:49.967 then published in the project

00:07:49.967 --> 00:07:53.680 All I needed to do then

00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.100 was defining some kind of functions,

00:07:56.100 --> 00:07:58.319 some kind of code in order to read

00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:01.840 the metadata of all

00:08:01.840 --> 00:08:04.767 the Org Mode files of my web project,

00:08:04.767 --> 00:08:09.680 so that I could then publish--

00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:13.280 generate the dynamic content.

00:08:13.280 --> 00:08:18.080 This is a snippet taken from

00:08:18.080 --> 00:08:21.759 one of my HTML projects,

00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:24.800 which basically shows the way in which

00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:27.599 I generate the list of posts on

00:08:27.599 --> 00:08:32.560 my page. It is exactly how the Liquid that we saw

00:08:32.560 --> 00:08:35.680 a couple of slides earlier that looks like

00:08:35.680 --> 00:08:39.200 in Org Mode.

00:08:39.200 --> 00:08:42.320 Basically, what I'm doing... I'm using...

00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:46.720 I wrote a Ruby script which

00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.680 reads all the metadata. So this

00:08:49.680 --> 00:08:51.040 highlighted code

00:08:51.040 --> 00:08:53.100 basically loads the script

00:08:53.100 --> 00:08:55.300 which is stored externally.

00:08:55.300 --> 00:08:56.800 Then it collects all the

00:08:56.800 --> 00:08:58.320 metadata from the

00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:00.880 Org Mode files in the

00:09:00.880 --> 00:09:02.240 current directory.

00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:04.800 And then the following... The code

00:09:04.800 --> 00:09:06.480 you can see here

00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.839 basically iterates over all the

00:09:09.839 --> 00:09:12.959 posts read at the previous step.

00:09:12.959 --> 00:09:16.399 It generates

00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:19.519 a list with the title

00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:22.959 and the URLS, basically

00:09:22.959 --> 00:09:27.440 replicating what Jekyll does.

00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:30.240 There are some other things

00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:32.399 I have to deal with in order to

00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:36.480 accommodate my workflow. But that was

00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:39.200 relatively easy in the sense that one of

00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:43.279 the problems, one of the issues I had to

00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:45.360 solve was that of having

00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:48.480 a common navigation on all my

00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:51.040 pages. That was easily solved

00:09:51.040 --> 00:09:53.867 using the #+INCLUDE feature.

00:09:53.867 --> 00:09:54.959 So I basically

00:09:54.959 --> 00:09:56.000 made available

00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:57.839 an #+INCLUDE with all the navigation

00:09:57.839 --> 00:10:00.560 which is embedded in all the pages of

00:10:00.560 --> 00:10:01.839 my websites

00:10:01.839 --> 00:10:03.733 through the #+INCLUDE.

00:10:03.733 --> 00:10:06.160 Another nice feature which

00:10:06.160 --> 00:10:08.560 Jekyll has is the possibility of

00:10:08.560 --> 00:10:12.800 previewing a website before deploying it.

00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.079 Emacs also has got a node which allows

00:10:16.079 --> 00:10:21.200 you to launch a web server. In fact,

00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:24.320 I wrote a quick hack

00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.959 which allows you to

00:10:26.959 --> 00:10:31.519 invoke a node on an Org Mode

00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:34.720 project, start a local preview,

00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:37.920 and then use rsync

00:10:37.920 --> 00:10:44.839 in order to deploy the the website.

00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:48.720 Five minutes left. More than

00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.200 enough. Okay.

00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:52.967 Thanks. Thank you, thank you very much.

00:10:52.967 --> 00:10:56.480 I'm nearly done. So then I can take some questions.

00:10:56.480 --> 00:11:00.560 Just to give you maybe

00:11:00.560 --> 00:11:03.680 a slightly more in-depth

00:11:03.680 --> 00:11:06.480 view of what the pages look like,

00:11:06.480 --> 00:11:07.200 so these are

00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:11.120 one of the pages, or the source files

00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:14.720 of one of the websites. It is

00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:18.480 in literate programming. Basically,

00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.399 you see there is some metadata here.

00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.640 I mean this is a regular Org Mode file.

00:11:22.640 --> 00:11:26.640 This part here

00:11:26.640 --> 00:11:29.920 basically defines some common options

00:11:29.920 --> 00:11:31.519 for publication.

00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:35.920 These two includes here

00:11:35.920 --> 00:11:41.120 put some extra HTML in the head part and

00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.480 the navigation. Here, as you can see,

00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:48.079 is the code generating the

00:11:48.079 --> 00:11:50.160 the list in chronological order. It is

00:11:50.160 --> 00:11:52.240 slightly more complex than the example I

00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:53.839 made in the slide

00:11:53.839 --> 00:11:56.240 because there is some more

00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:59.760 elaboration to do, including putting some

00:11:59.760 --> 00:12:01.839 Javascript to identify

00:12:01.839 --> 00:12:05.120 according to the tags.

00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:08.160 To go back to the presentation...

00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.067 I managed this migration

00:12:13.067 --> 00:12:14.560 a few months ago,

00:12:14.560 --> 00:12:17.680 and then all my workflow is within

00:12:17.680 --> 00:12:20.399 Org Mode and within Emacs.

00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:23.079 I'm very happy with it because it's

00:12:23.079 --> 00:12:26.800 simplified quite a bit

00:12:26.800 --> 00:12:28.480 my publication process.

00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.839 One of the advantages... Another

00:12:31.839 --> 00:12:34.240 advantage... So the first advantage is that

00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:36.959 everything is in Org Mode and Emacs.

00:12:36.959 --> 00:12:38.160 Second advantage

00:12:38.160 --> 00:12:41.680 is that everything is based on the

00:12:41.680 --> 00:12:44.880 standard machinery provided by Org Mode.

00:12:44.880 --> 00:12:47.760 So in a sense, it is

00:12:47.760 --> 00:12:50.079 more robust with respect to

00:12:50.079 --> 00:12:53.040 dependencies, possible errors, and so

00:12:53.040 --> 00:12:54.320 on and so forth.

00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:56.639 The fact that Org Mode

00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:58.240 allows you to publish

00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:00.880 a single file in a project is also

00:13:00.880 --> 00:13:03.839 very interesting because

00:13:03.839 --> 00:13:07.839 it allows to be more robust to

00:13:07.839 --> 00:13:11.040 problems you might introduce when

00:13:11.040 --> 00:13:14.959 you're changing--when I'm changing the setup.

00:13:14.959 --> 00:13:16.880 Another interesting thing which I

00:13:16.880 --> 00:13:21.519 realized that I could have is that

00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:23.600 in a sense, the specification of the

00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:28.480 website can be embedded in the website itself.

00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:30.800 In a sense this is some kind of

00:13:30.800 --> 00:13:31.839 self-documenting...

00:13:31.839 --> 00:13:35.120 It's a way of self-documenting

00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:36.600 what I'm actually doing.

00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:44.133 For instance, here on my website,

00:13:44.133 --> 00:13:46.399 you can see the

00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.240 specification of the

00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:51.519 project which is loaded

00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:53.933 from my initialization file,

00:13:53.933 --> 00:13:56.320 but then it is also published

00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:59.440 together with my home page. It lives

00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.360 with the repository where

00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.360 I keep all the sources of my website,

00:14:05.360 --> 00:14:08.079 which is kind of nice because it

00:14:08.079 --> 00:14:09.839 basically isolates

00:14:09.839 --> 00:14:14.079 everything in a single place.

00:14:14.079 --> 00:14:16.880 So there are some examples. I'm

00:14:16.880 --> 00:14:19.433 showing them more because of the

00:14:19.433 --> 00:14:21.760 source code which

00:14:21.760 --> 00:14:25.519 you can grab from the git repositories

00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:26.933 if you are interested.

00:14:26.933 --> 00:14:28.399 Of course I'm also available

00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.600 to provide some support and help

00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:32.959 if you are interested

00:14:32.959 --> 00:14:34.480 in this kind of stuff.

00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:37.760 The the next step for me will be that of

00:14:37.760 --> 00:14:41.600 trying, making this kind of machinery available

00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:45.199 for more general use at the moment.

00:14:45.199 --> 00:14:47.120 If you are interested in trying out my

00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:48.800 suggestion, grabbing the

00:14:48.800 --> 00:14:51.933 sources for one of the websites

00:14:51.933 --> 00:14:54.700 to seehow they look like,

00:14:54.700 --> 00:14:56.720 and maybe try and

00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:00.160 customize it for your purposes...

00:15:00.160 --> 00:15:03.839 This is basically the content of my talk.

00:15:03.839 --> 00:15:06.959 I'm open to questions and thank you

00:15:06.959 --> 00:15:10.880 for your attention.

00:15:10.880 --> 00:15:12.880 (Amin: Thank you very much, Adolfo, for your

00:15:12.880 --> 00:15:14.480 awesome presentation.

00:15:14.480 --> 00:15:17.360 I think we have time for maybe like

00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:19.360 one or two questions,

00:15:19.360 --> 00:15:21.279 and then the rest maybe you could

00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:26.639 take up after the stream.)

00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:28.033 Adolfo: What should we do?

00:15:28.033 --> 00:15:30.000 (Amin: Would you like me

00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:31.839 to read you the questions?)

00:15:31.839 --> 00:15:35.199 Adolfo: Yeah, probably better because

00:15:35.199 --> 00:15:36.700 I'm kind of lost there.

00:15:36.700 --> 00:15:40.399 (Amin: Okay, no problem.

00:15:40.399 --> 00:15:42.480 So someone asks, "Do you have any

00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:45.440 opinion on Firn?")

00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:48.639 Adolfo: Firn. I don't know Firn,

00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:51.839 so I'll give it a try

00:15:51.839 --> 00:15:55.040 and check it out.

00:15:55.040 --> 00:15:57.839 (Amin: Thanks. People are also asking,

00:15:57.839 --> 00:15:59.680 do you discuss this, for example, in a blog

00:15:59.680 --> 00:16:01.279 or anywhere else they could find more

00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:02.800 about it?)

00:16:02.800 --> 00:16:05.600 Adolfo: Oh yes. I'm going to publish the

00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.560 the talk and the content

00:16:08.560 --> 00:16:11.120 on my website, and then I'll link it from

00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:13.067 the EmacsConf conference

00:16:13.067 --> 00:16:14.720 so that it will be easier for

00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:16.533 people to to reach it

00:16:16.533 --> 00:16:19.040 I will shortly make it

00:16:19.040 --> 00:16:22.880 available right after the conference.

00:16:22.880 --> 00:16:26.160 (Amin: Wonderful. I think that's all for the questions.

00:16:26.160 --> 00:16:27.667 Thank you very much.)

00:16:27.667 --> 00:16:29.600 Adolfo: Thank you very much. Thank you.

00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:34.800 (Amin: Cheers.) Adolfo: Bye, cheers. (Amin: Bye.)

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